The World Of Twilight

I'm planning to start a total revamp of my Fubarnii - the paint needs retouching on everything, some models prolly need to just have another basecoat put on and the paintjob started anew, and I really, really, really need a proper carrying case. I can get away with my ice cream tub system for WHFB dwarfs since they're all fairly chunky, but the number of bent Fubarnii spears it's producing doesn't bear thinking about. :S

So anyhow, two technical queries for the paint-inclined;
- Do you put any sort of varnish on your models, and if so what?
- If you want to wholly re-paint a model, how do you go about it?

I use matt varnish on the Delgon as that's what holds the 'snow' on, but otherwise I only use matt varnish if the figure is a bit shiny. For proper protection I'd recommend a coat of gloss varnish followed by matt - though it can dull highlights slightly.

As for repainting, with metal figures I strip them in nitromors, which is nasty stuff - never let it touch your skin or any plastic you care about, as it melts both. Utterly cleans a metal figure though, and after a good rinse in a bucket of cold water it's pretty much good as new. to start again with.

Thanks, will experiment on the varnishes.

I'll see how many models need a repaint; if it's only two or three getting some powerful solvents might be more expensive than a HF order...

Yep, and for display just go straight with the matt, or a mid way point + matt

So what brand of varnish do you guys use, and where do you get it?

I use Humbrol matt, comes in a small can and is available in Modelzone, though most people I know of swear by Testors Dullcoat.

any gloss varnish - get it from diystores in bug spray cans - for hard wearing.

but then 2 coats of testors dullcote to take the shine off

Pretty much what I do too (when I ever get a chance to paint). 

Usually spray the model with Krylon Crystal Clear Acrylic followed by a coat or two of Testors Dullcote if needed.

I tend to paint on varnish because I don't paint many minis. For that I use a Miniature Paints gloss for a couple of coats then finish with Testors Dullcote for a matt finish. However, I've rediscovered matt sprays at the moment for other projects and can recommend both the Humbrol and Army Painter Anti-shine.
For stripping I'll use whatever I have to hand but mostly at the moment I use either Dettol (which requires a little extra cleaning work but is plastic-resin safe and makes your minis smell nice) or De-Solv-it: Great Strip which I pick up from Homebase (dunno what international retailers might carry it, there's a website though). Great Strip is really good and easy to use unlike Nitro Mors and as far as I've seen isn't harmful to resins and plastics.

If you are going to use Testor's (either spray or brush on) I would very strongly suggest using a gloss varnish first as it tends to eat acryllic paint a little bit.

For matt I'm surrently using Army Painter "Anti Shine Matt Varnish" spray and it is dead flat (as good as or better than Testor's) and also doesn't eat paint, but for gaming pieces I would still use something else underneath first for durability reasons.

I just use a coat of Vallejo matt varnish, painted on.

HN

Neve had a problem with testors "eating" paint. Ut then I've had ba experiences with army paintercsprays too.

Varnish and sprays are a Very personal thing. They are subject to temperature, humidity dust, the cured natural of the underlying paint and othe factors. Sometimes it's easy to recommend something other people will laugh at.

For varnish I tend to use GW:s spray varnish, mostly because it's what's readily available where I'm at. Haven't tried the Army Painter version yet. For reasons I can't remember you can't get Testors Dullcoat in Sweden anymore, which is a bit of a bummer, since a lot of people seems to swear by it, and not just here.

As for stripping piant I just use petrol in a glass jar if it's a metal figure, which seems to work just fine. Haven't bothered with finding anything for plastics yet.

The eu banned the original recipe as it had (from memory) toluene in it. They devised a new recipe which became available last year? Does Sweden have similar restrictions?

For varnish I use GW purity seal. Its a non gloss coat and it also protects your paint from chipping. well worth it! and a single can will last forever. Also, as it hasn't been mentioned, are the perils of varnish. Just be careful when you apply it that the air isnt to humid, as what will happen is that your model will become cloudy or almost white, ruining the paint-job. Another bit of advice is to shake extremely well before use, I have seen paint-jobs ruined where people haven't shaken properly and small flecks of hardened varnish get trapped on the model making it look like it has been covered in ash.
That isn't to scare you off varnish! by all means I wouldnt dream of finishing a model without a coat but be aware of the problems and you can avoid them :)
Finally! if you can get a hold of some nitromors it will strip your model perfectly (no plastics though!)

The problem with purity seal is that it's not truly matt. Many other brands are better (matt-er).

Yes while Purity seal might not be the most matt-ey the consistency and the result cant be argued with. The GW description of the product is pretty spot on. It does dull anything to shiny while at the same time giving a visual consistency. Well worth a try.

It can and I will.

Have you had a bad experience with it? I have been using it for three years on models from several game systems both plastic and metal and have NEVER had a problem. Why dont you like it?

Been paintin and modelling for over 20 years on and off. I think gw sprays are very poor in general and the purity seal is the least matt matt spray going. I've used everythn from humbrol and plastikote through to true artists varnishes - I'd rate gw in the bottom 2-3 along with the old army painter sprays which I believe came from the same factory.

Each to their own though. Whatever works for you.

When was the last time you used the purity seal? the formula may have changed? I really dont see it getting any better then the results im experiencing now. So in your experience what makes the others better then purity seal? As a painter I still find the consistency of PS to be great but if there is something better on the market I would be interested.