The World Of Twilight

Ive been thinking that I really should try and do some more sketches of bits and pieces for twilight (heavily inspired by taelan's market sketch). I'm going to have a go at sharing at least one sketch per week - some will be old, others new. I thought I would open it up to the floor for any random suggestions. Characters you would like to see, particular civilians etc etc. they'll probably be quick, rough sketches, but I'll do my best to post one a week...

So, what would you like to see?

How about the Emperor. Can't think of anything else right now...ooo maybe an Enarii from the POV of the Fubarnii.

HN

Some landscapes would be neat.

Plenty of architecture would be helpful for obvious reasons...

Also boats, I'm very interested in how they put to sea...

2nd the boats.

HN

Hmmm, boats. I'll see what I can come up with.
The emperor might be fun to play with, but given his importance I want to make sure I get him right!
How about some suggestions for random civilians?

Some more shop keepers and buildings. perhaps what a general city street looks like and maybe what the underground parts of the buildings look like

Man, so many things to second in this thread. I think I'll back Boats, considering our earlier discussion about the waterways awhile back.

Short of that, the underground would be great. I was thinking about a sketch along those lines myself but with reference, like the market, it would be personal opinion. :)

Do you get country-bumpkin Fubarnii?

A cross section of an underground house/network could be cool.

HN

Also, If  Fubarnii society has a criminal element it might be cool to see what a Fubarnii lowlife/cut-throat would look like.

I second, third, fourth!  Landscape and scenery with plenty of architecture for Brandlin too. 

I've been doing a few boat doodles. Just taken quickly with my phone so far, but hopefully they'll serve as a starting point. What do you think? I've focused on paddle wheels for these designs, although I think the ship builders would be a tad more varied.

(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh269/Xrgut/Snapbucket/02AD1451.jpg)

My problem when I see these is I instantly start thinking about rules and scenarios, tis just a shame the Devanu don't have ships. Are there any other islands in the world?

Oh and I like the sketches, could make some cool terrain for coastal towns. Is the floating city made of balls/floats of gas?

HN

They were smart enough to capture Fubarnii that could build towers, why not boats?... Devanu pirates anyone?

A few times I toyed with the idea of making ships, but thought it better to focus on one thing at a time. The 'city' is based on lots and lots of sealed containers stuck together to give the general bouyancy, then a town built ontop and into it. Fubarnii don't generally like water (due to the fact they sink rather too quickly and are unable to swim) so like to be able to pretend they are still on dry land (if they ignore the swaying...).
As for other islands? Not that the empire is aware of. Several generations back several floating cities set off to explore, but only one was ever heard from again (as it crashed on what eventually turned out to be part of the mainland - majorn anis).

(Claps hands merrily) They look fun :D

Downloaded to be perused over!

 

I'm liking those... they'd be huge in game terms, but as artwork, really nice. :)  We demand art-prints! lol!

I used to work for a naval architect so I shall try not to over think this.

I'm actually a little surprised they are so ... Conventional? I was expecting something a little whackier.

I've been thinking of making a boat kit. One of the things I dislike about boat models you buy is hat even the waterline ones done have the necessary double curvature in the hull. They are basically just vertical slab sided and curved to a point at the bow.
I could make a much more realistic boat shape by mimicking the plank build style in laser cut styrene, but I've been uncertain about the style to do that with so as to make a good impression with the technique.  Think it would work best by having large amoun og hull visible above the water line, so perhaps the quite upright style of the first picture? Is it supposed to be wood or iron or some form of fubarnii botany ear wax?

I like the tug. I love way the hull just seems to have stopped and a paddlewheel is rammed in there... The aesthetics of that really work for me.

The floating city is just silly... In a good way. You'll have a lot of stability issues as you have all your buoyancy arranged deep under the central point (like an inverted volcano) this will make it capsize almost instantaneously. You'd have to arrange the bulk of the buoyancy around the edges, like a circular life raft or a katamaran. Having said that the idea of making some form of waterline raft/buoyancy structure on which I could balance existing buildings could be visually very interesting!

The last one intrigues me most. I'm presuming the vane structures create rotational motion that drives the Sid paddle wheels rather than acting as aerosol sails?  I like the silly novelty of this in a way I can't quite put my finger on...


Thanks for the food for though mike.



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I Love the tug too.  It would make a great styrene kit.

They look great! That said, I'd be surprised if the Fubarnii boats were all traditionally hulled like those ones (bar of course the city). I don't know the engineering side of this too well, but what about more of a development of a giant raft theme? Perhaps eventually shaped in a forward point with some sides as the weight of goods etc required it to sit lower in the water, but essentially flat-bottomed, possibly with a vertical bit going under the water for stability. So rather than a "U or V" shape, a "T" shape going down into the water.

Also, what about outlying regions? It seems that having mostly steam-powered boats would be mostly an option for wealthy guild members on trading voyages, Imperial missions, or the Central Empire - would the poorer areas be able to afford big steam-driven engines (or indeed have the expertise to build the clockwork of the windmillboat?)

I guess I'm partly thinking of this from the view of the great lakes/fenland region around Larigal, for which rafts and punts seem an obvious starting point as the waters may be quite shallow...

Just a few thoughts - they do look very nice though, and the millboat looks particularly cool.

Another quick sketch...
This time a rough concept sketch of his grace, Arudor, the 12th Emperor of the mighty Fubarnii Emperor. It's a very rough first attempt, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts...
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh269/Xrgut/Snapbucket/932BA0B4.jpg)

That looks really cool!
I love that massive Fubarnii to his right! bodyguard? 

Looks very cool and very pompus. The only thing I'd say is that I'd imagine he'd be higher than everyone else, perhaps on some sort of dias.

HN

The two fubarnii are advisors from the Emperor's council. Very powerful individuals in their own right.
Good point on the elevated dias. I had imagined him at the topic stairs with his councillors around him, but further elevation would be in keeping.

That.. is great. Loving the head gear and PreePree.

Also a very cool insight into your sketching technique again ;)

- T.

awesome. I love the attire

Is that an Alien Queen skull hat he has on ???     :P

Sorry, looks good and agree that at least the seating would be well raised.

Constantine VII was recorded as having a self-elevating throne which could be down at dais level or elevated even higher to allow him to overlook and speak to his entire great hall. I'm thinking this would quite appeal to the Fubarnii?

Hes not the emperor for nothing

I've not managed any new sketches yet this week, so I've raided my old sketchbooks...
These are all very rough and highly inaccurate. Assume they are torn from the pages of a particularly crazy old engineer's sketchbook...

First up, some earlier, crazier sketches of boats:
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh269/Xrgut/Snapbucket/6AD6BE9F.jpg)

I'm quite pleased with the big 'fish' though  :)

Next, some Delgon artwork:
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh269/Xrgut/Snapbucket/99EFA0DE.jpg)
Top right is an early attempt at an Icon for the Empire, but originally scrapped in favour of the final one.

Finally, some Empire iconography. Glyphs of this sort occasionally adorn buildings in the vague hope that the Enarii will look down, see them and somehow look after the occupants. It's not generally done in a terribly devout way, but more in a pragmatic 'can't hurt' type of way.
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh269/Xrgut/Snapbucket/EEFD577B.jpg)

Over to you guys... what do you think?

Definitely digging the big fish, more please!

HN

More fish? Did I ever share these?
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh269/Xrgut/Snapbucket/29CE2B2C.jpg)
Note that the fish generally share some traits with the fish on Danakan's staff.

Those fish look scary!

Great stuff!

Like the fish... But love the delgon curves and spirals. We spoke about using designs like this as raised relief panels on ornate delgon buildings...

No wonder the Fubarnii don't like going to sea!

HN

Those sketches were done while I was travelling at some point in response to a question of yours... Delgon buildings are huge architecture projects (as opposed to an engineer's ongoing experiment/project), so some ornate detailing wouldn't be out of place.

It's been a while, so about time I shared a couple more pics!
These were sent to Mark as reference for his noble:
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh269/Xrgut/Noble1-1.jpg)
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh269/Xrgut/NobleGuard1-1.jpg)

I do like those :)

I've been a but slow with sketches recently, so here's a quick sketch of a bird-like creature that I drew tonight. It's not got a name yet...
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh269/Xrgut/Snapbucket/6F562436.jpg)

Saved to my inspirations folder :D

Great study of your line style, long sweeping curves etc.

love it

Nice!

I don't know why but with that tail it kinda looks like it catches fish...

HN

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I'd love to see some maps, of say a city, a town and a village for the Empire, and something similar for the Devanu. It would be nice to be able to see how the living quarters mesh in with markets, what places are important (worship, education, public paths etc).

Also, (sorry if they exist, and I've not found them yet), maybe some pictures of pre empire? How the Devanu lived as the 'rulers', and the Fubarnii.

I wonder if these will ever be collected into an art book?

Maps are tricky as they have to be three dimensional due to tunnel systems. Worth a try though, even if it's mainly indicative.
I sketched a Devanu tower recently... I should neaten that up and share when i get a chance!
Soon, but tonight I think I might sculpt - its been a while since I've actually had chance to push putty!

Check out the clans section. There's a lot of good description by other players on what their own cities look like! also I got a swanky pic by mike of the Capital city of the Enipel :D
http://www.worldoftwilight.com/forum/index.php?board=12.0

might I point out the Enipel thread as an excellent read  ::)

So do I... It would be fun to do at some point. Maybe.

You may :D

Though the Enipel clan is indeed a good read, clearly the Clan of Orel'an is superior. ;)

 ;)

All I know is I have loads of great threads to catch up on!

On the matter of the art book though, if ever there was such a thing, I would certainly be interested. The artwork that has been produced from all such various sources adds so much to the feel of the game itself that its a great inspiration for my painting, even when the pictures are two tone sketches. Sign me up!

Couldn't agree more! It was the artwork that attracted me to look at the game in more detail.

If such a book happened I'd like to see the artwork merged with a narrative. Art books in and of themselves are great for the coffee-table or coffee-shelf but I'd want something a bit more immersive that you can dig into and perhaps use as source material for games, scenarios or even forces. Something like Danakan's travel diary, an imperial atlas or a sort of "Rough Guide" for traders, travelers and explorers.

It's eminently doable but obviously restricted by our current capacity... Never say never though!

Couldn't agree more with Darren's thoughts!

As an aside, this thread is still open to suggestions. Particularly as Darren is going to be pestering me to do some more regular Sunday sketches  ;D

More sea creatures & beasties! :D

PESTER!

Looking back on previous threads I saw this. Any plans for turning this into a figure? Would be nice to have the Emperor in all his glory!

This would indeed be a great diorama piece. The advisors would make some excellent alternative nobles.
Thank you for bringing this thread back to life serin! I don't know how I could have missed it up until now.

Now that would be a challenging sculpt! I've spent the last month working on a couple of nobles (for the engineer pledges) and they have been great fun but rather involved! I might try to take some photos and show them off soon.
I would love to do a really corpulent trader/noble at some point, so the court of nobles might slowly increase. Not sure I'm brave enough to do the emperor just yet though...

This thread can easily be resurrected if anybody has any good suggestions!

Teasers!!!!

But yeah, the emperor sculpt would be really cool, but I think it's bad luck if one releases the emperor before GW :P
yeah, nobody plays the Star Wars collectible game anymore, thx Palpatine ;)

Suggestions? I would love to see drawings of all the Enarii. Since the Fubarnii create tunnels, I have been wondering if there are more underground creatures.
Also I would like to see more Garkrid. As their shells are sometimes used as armour I suspect there are some really large species out there.

Just what I was thinking! The fubarnii are dependent on the garkrid, so it would be  nice to learn a little more about them.

Third'd!

Actually I agree with all of krypto's suggestions, with the possible exception of the Enaari. Whilst curiosity does beg to know what more of them look like, that may be one subject best left until they receive sculpts, as the mysticism is part of their character.

True, it would take away much of their legendary status. I think we have already seen 3 Enarii thus far, correct?

Garkrid? Did I ever show you the one I sculpted last year? This week I've finally come up with some potential rules for it...
You've seen Roban and the gardener so far, plus a wip for Dehran. I think that's it.

I don't think I have seen a Garkrid sculpt, only some small sketches.

Hmm. I shall have to try and remedy that! I'll see if I can do a few sketches as well  :)

I've failed to sketch any garkrid yet (or at least none that I've got around to sharing), but if you are looking for inspiration for scenery projects then feel free to post some thoughts here and I'll do my best to help out with some rough sketches!

splendid.  I am in fact wondering how a tent or other temporary shelter would look in the Empire. I am thinking I'd like to do a trade fair set up at a crossroads..... one of the things I thought to include would be tents for travelers staying overnight.

these would be different from a traders stall which might have an awning. would they have a specific shape? round like the buildings? square? rectangular? would they forego shelter like that at all and sleep under the open sky while on the road?

it needs to be something that can be carried on the back of a Baruk or Belan. the idea is that the caravan is passing through an area that has settlements about a day's walk in each direction from the crossroads, so they set in the middle and make an event of it, rather than going to each location separately.

Good question!
I did the delgon as round tents with a central peak (there's a template on the website).
I'm less sure about the empire... A good source of inspiration would be human nomads. Larger yurts might be an option. I did a search for 'nomad tents' on google for some inspiration and I could imagine the Casanii (and the empire) having some of those structures (long support struts supporting thick material).
I'll do some more research!

thanks for the guide. I liked the tents with multiple peaks..... it gives a broad area and degrees of depth to dress up in vibrant ways. I think I might try to go with one somewhat large central tent and a few smaller ones around it......

A bit like a medieval campement. With a large colourful tent in the middle and the smaller drab ones around it :).

I was considering making up some tents at some point myself. Not for the competition!
If you go ahead with it and are making them out of fabric, I might be able to help though. I was a textile artist in a previous life so have loads of scraps of suitable fabrics to save buying loads if you just need little bits!

thanks for the offer.  :)  I haven't decide yet how I want to assemble them..... I'm weighing my options between fabric and paper. I think fabric would look pretty cool, but I'm not sure I'm savvy enough to pull it off that way. I'm leaning toward using paper as it's easier to replace if I mangle it. though I could always use mangled tents to make a destroyed campsite if that happens..... many warhammer 40,000 models in my early days ended up as scenery after I botched the assembly beyond repair.   ;D  ;D

Sorry it's taken a little while to share these sketches! Nothing too detailed, but hopefully it might help give a little inspiration  :)
These are how I would imagine the tents...

(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh269/Xrgut/Twilight/Tents.jpg) (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/Xrgut/media/Twilight/Tents.jpg.html)

Very much like how I envisioned them. :)

Very similar to what I was thinking also, I was going to base mine on a Tibetan Maikhan tent.

(http://foxstudio.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/7-big-maikhan2013-08-24.jpg)

Okay, I know I'm the new guy, and I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but what I would love to see is more stuff on the Knights. Maybe some shields with the different symbols of some of the Orders you've thought up (or even some symbols that you think look cool but don't have Orders attached to them... yet!). I might want to copy one of them, since I'm likely to shave off the shields of the Knights models I (am probably going to) get and replace them, or at the very least get some inspiration for them to invent my own Order.