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Author Topic: What I've been working on: 16 June 2010  (Read 14956 times)
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« on: May 21, 2010, 07:33:01 pm »

Seen as we've got a shiny new forum, it seems only right to show you what I've been working on... I can't promise I'll post WIP shots of everything, but here's something for you to have a look at!




The model on the left is a heavy cavalry character for the Empire. He's been stationed up near the Delgon border. I'm not sure about the size of the lance, so now is the time to tell me what you think! There is lots still to do on both him and his mount. I think I'll also do him a mace as a secondary/alternate weapon.

The other model is the first heavy infantry for the Delgon. The shield will get some iconography on it and he'll get at least one alternately posed companion, but it would be good to hear your thoughts. I know that the pick might not be the best weapon for tower-shield armed infantry, but I like it and I'm sticking with it  Grin
D'oh, just realised that you can hardly see the pick in the photos... Sorry!

Let me know what you think! If you are nice and useful then I might keep showing WIP shots in the future...
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2010, 07:41:16 pm »

oooooh I like the heavy cavalry!  I am however not so sure on the lance......I'm wondering if maybe heavy maces would look better to further help differentiate between regular knights?

Are the heavy cavalry the elite elite?  If so would they be a bit more arrogant and have a bit more flair, decoration and such?  Huh

The infantry dude is cool too, I love the shield.  Can't really see the pick, but could be dangerous hiding behind shield and waving pick over the top   Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2010, 07:46:08 pm »

Flair, decoration and such? That's coming! Hence the WIP status  Wink
The plan is to do two arm options for him, one with a lance and one with a mace. I might also do a loose mace that can hang off the saddle while he is using his lance.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 09:20:56 pm »

Lance looks spot on for me.

Are the Delgon into mining etc in a big way. Cant help but see that shield being used as a blast screen when its paired with a pick.  Looks fitting. Do some sappers with blast shields ;-)
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 09:28:18 pm »

The lance is good, I'd make it the head a little smaller though. It looks just a teensy bit oversized at the moment.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2010, 12:42:19 am »

"whoooooa, look at the size of my lance!" am ithe only one thinks that looks too big? very hefty... needs a big mass on the back to balnce and muct be to scale... 6 metres? loving the saddle cloth and the enuk hood though... is the hood armour?

I like the tower shield on the delgonite (delgonian? person from delgon), but the pick put my Bunkum detector into overdrive! Wink  I wont argue if you're not budging though just make a spear sprue for me.

As to the iconography, I know that you want to create a 'feel' for the figures to tie them into the world, but I think you might be better off making the shields blank, and allowing people to do what they like with them.  Certainly i would prefer a canvas to design on than fixed raised symbols.


just my 2p.
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2010, 01:41:24 am »

Wow, looking good! Agree that the lance looks a wee bit large. Perhaps altering the head would help. I always thought that putting a spear-type head on a lance was a bit silly - what you need is a long fairly thin spike securely fastened to the rest of the lance, something that'll punch through armour like a needle through cloth, not something that spreads the force across a broader area. Again, just my 2p worth. And I do like the Infantry guy - I'd be tempted to paint him up in blue armour, put a face-mask on the helmet and give him a truncheon instead of a pick, lol!
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2010, 02:35:45 am »

and a clear perspex shield?
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2010, 08:12:01 am »

Thanks for the constructive comments!
I've been wondering about the size of the lance - possibly images of jousting lances have coloured my perceptions of what a combat lance should look like. That is one of the reasons I wanted to do an early preview as there is still plenty of opportunity to change it. Should it be shorter?
The hood will be armour, but needs work. 
I've got a bunch of the shield blanks cast already and they'll be separate to the models so I might do a couple of different shield sprue options.

@Alan: I figured you might query the picks! Somehow they felt right to me as weapons for taking down enemy fubarnii - using the shield to initially defend against projectiles, then pushing in close where the enemy's spears would be more unwieldy. The sharp pick would find cracks in armour easily, and might actually punch through the standard Fubarnii armour that is design for deflecting teeth and claws rather than metal weapons. There may be flaws in that logic (possibly it would be better combining a small shield with the light weapon), but there is the other argument that Delgon soldiers don't tend to get much choice over what weapons they use... Smiley

On an aside... I've done some blank round Empire shields that I'm going to sculpt designs on. How would people find them most useful? Should I do a few different designs on each sprue, or should each sprue consist of a single design? I'm not sure if the latter option would really be practical as the mould costs would probably be prohibitive and I'd certainly end up with less shield options that way. Also, would blank shields be useful?
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2010, 04:27:30 pm »

What's wrong with the picks? They may not be the best weapon for use with tower shields, but police seem to manage alright with truncheons which have a similar attack motion...

I don't think it's the lance's length really, though it could be a little shorter. For me it's just that the head looks big...

As for shields, you could do one sprue of different designs and one sprue of blanks (thinking the Empire and Delgon shields here equally). Someone like Brandlin or Ben B or the other good painters will prefer the blank shields, but as for people like me who can't paint for toast, having designs that we can just colour in is pretty useful really.
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2010, 04:37:16 pm »

well in earth terms (noting that that doesn't apply to anyaral in anything other than the ways mike wants it to) tower shields are used to form a defensive wall which you sit behind and stab through the gaps or over , keeping your enemy at a distances.

I really like the pick - (or warhammer) its good to see  - it was usually used against heavily armoured oponents as the thin spiked head was good for concentrating force into a small point tan therefore bothe puncturing plate and bursting open the rings on chain mail.

Its just the combination that seems a little odd. TO human earth bound eyes.

Its fubarnii on anyaral - there might be huge cultural or religious siignificance to the combination in delgon??

@ jubal - yes but the police are not usually trying to kill you and public opinion is somewhat against arming them with anything long and pointy!

@jubal again - oooh ooooh you put me in the good painters ctaagory... i am sooo out of my depth their - competent maybe. actually i was tinking i'd make decals for flat shields rather than paint them, I guess as in all things, giving people optiongs satisfies most but also costs. ultimately i'm ok with either
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2010, 05:15:20 pm »

Who actually used tower shields bar the Romans and cops, anyway? Did the Almogavars use them? I can potentially see that it makes more sense to use them with a stabbing weapon, but any weapon with a short action (picks have a comparatively short swing compared to a longsword or morning star) would still work I guess.

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2010, 10:59:32 pm »

I love the square shield, and the knight!

However, would it be viable to use brass rod for the spear? It may not be ideal for mass production, but I might try and use it for my own models because of the rigidity compared to a long, thin bit of pewter...

so the heavy cav is a character? Any chance of getting a photo besides a regular knight?

It's really nice to see these WIPs, but you're sculpting quicker than I paint Roll Eyes
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2010, 11:23:27 pm »

Thinking about the Infantry combination, the ancient Persians had a lot of infantry armed with that combination - a pick (albeit with a smaller head) and a large rectangular (wicker or basketwork) shield. Said shield also had a support on the back so that it could be set up like a barricade or line of pavises in front of a unit.





If anything, the Persian shields were bigger than the ones Mikes showing us.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2010, 11:28:02 pm »

The lance in my view is about the right thickness but maybe a tad too long? (The thickness will survive the shipping better.... spent two hours straightening out spears that wanted to become pretzels - I mean it's a valid choice mine you, don't get me wrong).

The picks action doesn't blend with the shield - the pick is a fast weapon while the Tower shield is more of a object in itself ie. A spear or something would better the design. It would marry up better with a more anti mount weapon or paired up with a range weapon user. Actually pairing the pick up with a second  and having a fast light twined attacking until would be great.

Of Course I am buying what ever comes our way.



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